Giaus Felix
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.03.19 23:07:15 -
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Black Pedro wrote:This is what is what these arguments always come down to: Eve was developed as, and is full-time PvP sandbox game. Some players just can't accept that CCP actually intends for the game to be a sandbox and thus feature unbalanced and non-consensual PvP: Others, come for that very game play. The first groups whine and complain telling CCP something must be wrong with their game as they can't play the way they want or that someone can actually come and significantly affect their game play against their will. The second group adapts to the game on offer and take up the challenge of exerting their will on the sandbox. Exactly this the game is working as intended; and the intention has always been to force people into conflict and watch what happens. If people find that the environment and game execution is too harsh for their delicate sensibilities there's hundreds of other MMO's out there and at least one viable alternative spaceship game.
Agreed, I would go so far as to say that success in Eve is measured by the extent unto which you can successfully influence or impose your will on the environment. You don't need guns to do it either, look at Chribba (obligatory all hail the mighty Veld God), he's influenced the environment immensely merely by being a trustworthy and all round nice guy.
Quote:What I don't get is why the first group keeps coming back to pay for a product they clearly don't enjoy. CCP does not try to hide the fact that they want his type of game play - it is highlighted all over the New Pilot FAQ and other places like the last wardec blog. The internet also has a decade worth of stories of clueless PvE players being stomped out of the game and loudly whining about it. Because they think that's there's something inherently wrong with a game like Eve, they don't get that it's not meant to be like nearly every other MMO out there with scattered shards, their PvE servers, their combat flagging systems, their spoonfed content and all the other crap they contain; and they think that they can fix it, by turning into yet another ****** generic MMO, but with spaceships.
Quote:But to the point, the development direction of Eve is not a democracy. You do not get to throw out major portions of the game play because you claim there are "thousands" of players who might enjoy what you like. How self-centered are you to believe everyone is like you and prefers grinding Eve's antiquated PvE content over the player-driven game play CCP is trying to foster and sell the game based on? I can't claim to know how and what game play the majority of the player base prefer, but CCP has been explicitly clear what they think keeps players in the game and it is not everyone holding hands and having consensual fights. To be fair there are obviously large numbers of players out there that may share his idea of fun, other MMO's exist
Fortunately CCP don't appear to want them as customers; CCP know what happened to UO, they were there, they were the pk'ers.
Eve is what Eve is and all you really get to do is take it or leave it just like the rest of us.
Quote:It is you however who are the one shamelessly agitating to take existing player's game play away by watering down wardecs to the point of uselessness, not the wardeccers. Thankfully, you don't get to make those decisions and CCP still seems committed to the original pillars of their game which includes non-consensual PvP in highsec which has attracted and retained a faithful player base years after almost all Eve's contemporary MMOs have been shut down. You can accept that reality and get on with playing the game, or you can remain unhappy and continue to unsuccessfully hector CCP to change their game and alienate a portion of their existing players just to suit your own personal desires. Or he could admit that Eve isn't the game for him and unsub, a move that is more worthy of respect than continuing to play a game that doesn't offer the things he wants; I certainly don't play games that don't offer me what I want out of them, I value my gaming time.
On an interesting side note, the same sort of conversations happen on the forums of every game that offers open-world always on PvP, MMO or not.
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